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Ciara Torres-Spelliscy describes how corporate greed led to scandal, corruption, and the January 6th insurrection―and how we can stop it from happening again

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The speaker reflects on their personal reaction to the January 6th, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, which served as inspiration for their book discussing political scandals, particularly those related to campaign financing. They engaged with peers and analyzed data from the Federal Election Commission and platforms like Open Secrets to examine lesser-known money-related scandals. Much of their research focused on federal crimes involving campaign finance, involving extensive reviews of Department of Justice trial transcripts.

The speaker notes that January 6th wasn't well funded, suggesting this may have contributed to its failure. However, they express concern over a potential future insurrection that could be better financed. They investigate corporate funds backing groups like the Rule of Law Defense Fund, highlighting that substantial corporate contributions originated from significant companies, which did not anticipate supporting initiatives leading to insurrection.

Post-January 6th, several corporations pledged not to fund politicians who objected to the electoral results, yet many contradicted these promises later by donating to the so-called "Sedition Caucus". The speaker elaborates on the concept of "dark money" in politics—funds influencing elections where the source is obscured. They define dark money specifically as that spent on electoral politics, distinct from other forms of political spending.

The discussion includes a historical perspective on dark money's impact, particularly in the 2020 elections, and the necessity for greater transparency in campaign financing. They suggest possible regulatory changes, including increased transparency from the Federal Election Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission. The speaker warns against repeating historical patterns where corporate funding undermined democracy, drawing an extreme parallel to Germany in 1933, where corporate support facilitated the rise of the Nazi Party.

Overall, the speaker advocates for enhanced scrutiny of corporate political contributions and urges voters to hold accountable those who finance anti-democratic efforts.

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Here are five key points from the video:

1. **Inspiration from January 6th Events**: The author is motivated to write a book about political scandals as a response to the January 6th attack on the US Capitol, reflecting on how personal the event felt to them.

2. **Role of Money in Politics**: The author conducted research on money in politics scandals, examining data from the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and other aggregator sites to understand how campaign finance crimes occur, emphasizing the importance of financial transparency in electoral politics.

3. **Corporate Funding and the Insurrection**: The video discusses the involvement of corporate funding in groups associated with the January 6th insurrection, particularly the Rule of Law Defense Fund. Most corporate donors likely did not intend for their contributions to support an insurrection, but many broke promises not to fund certain political actors afterward.

4. **Dark Money Definition and Impact**: The author defines 'dark money' as funds used in electoral politics without transparency about their origins, leading to significant impacts on elections. For instance, a billion dollars in dark money was spent in the 2020 election, influencing what voters see and often funding negative political advertisements.

5. **Call for Regulatory Changes**: The author advocates for increased transparency in political funding through regulatory changes, suggesting that the Federal Election Commission (FEC) should be more active, and that publicly traded corporations should disclose their political spending to banish dark money from elections. They also draw parallels between historical events and current trends in corporate political funding, warning against the potential risks to democracy.

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1. **Personal Reflection on January 6th**:
- "Think I took the attack on the US Capitol on January 6th, very personally. And so I was inspired to write this book by the events on January 6th."

2. **Exploration of Money in Politics**:
- "I ended up talking to a lot of my peers in the field, um, sort of trying to get a feel for what they thought the least appreciated money and politics scandals were."
- "I spent an enormous amount of time looking at the DOJ and going through criminal trial transcripts."

3. **Concerns about Future Events**:
- "I worry about what happens if there's a second January of the sixth that has better, um, deeper pockets."

4. **Corporate Funding and Political Events**:
- "The Rule of Law Defense Fund, despite its Orwellian name, is not really about the rule of law at all."
- "None of these corporations thought that they were going to be helping to fund an insurrection when they gave that money."

5. **Corporate Promises and Actions Post-January 6th**:
- "Some of these corporations... promised right after January 6th that they would not fund the Sedition Caucus. And all of those corporations broke their promises."

6. **Defining Dark Money**:
- "When I speak of dark money, I mean that money that is spent in electoral politics in order to influence Americans votes in a way that is... spent such that the average person cannot tell where that money has come from."

7. **Impact of Dark Money**:
- "In the 2020 election, there was a billion dollars of dark money that was spent... and Biden ended up winning."

8. **Transparency in Political Funding**:
- "One proposal would be to require more transparency in the electoral system."
- "One of the things that I've long suggested is trying to get the Securities and Exchange Commission to promulgate a rule that requires transparency of what would otherwise be dark money."

9. **Historical Comparison & Warning**:
- "If we don't know that history, we may be doomed to repeat it."
- "In their hour of need, [the Nazi party] turn to German industrialists to bail them out... and the corporate leaders eat it all up and fund the Nazi party."

This selection captures some of the central themes and insights regarding the influence of money in politics, the implications of dark money, and the author’s reflections on historical lessons related to democracy.

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Think I took the attack on the US Capitol on

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January 6th, very personally.

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And so I was inspired to write this book

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by the events on January 6th.

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So for the modern day scandals, I ended up talking to a lot

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of my peers in the field, sort of trying to get a

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feel for what they thought the

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least appreciated money and politics scandals were.

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Uh, and then I also looked at the FEC,

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that's the Federal Election Commission.

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Here in the US they have data on

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how money in politics flows.

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Then I looked at aggregator sites like Open Secrets,

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which has much more user friendly versions of the FECs data.

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Uh, and,

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because so many of the stories

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that I ended up writing about were actually federal crimes.

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I spent an enormous amount of time,

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looking at the DOJ

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and going through criminal trial transcripts.

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And so for some of these, cases, in order

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to get the sort of gotcha moment of someone confessing

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to a campaign finance crime, I went through in some cases,

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hundreds of pages of transcripts

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and with other really long trials, thousands of pages

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of transcripts, just to find that moment when the defendant

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actually admitted that they had committed a campaign finance

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crime On the upside.

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Uh, January 6th was not particularly well financed.

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I think that might be one of the reasons that it failed.

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Uh, one of the things that I really worry about in this book

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is what happens if there's a second January of the sixth

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that has better, deeper pockets.

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Uh, but in the January 6th that we've already experienced,

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one of the groups that put out robocalls

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urging members of the public to come to the capitol

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and fight was a group called the Rule

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of Law Defense Fund.

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So the Rule of Law Defense Fund, despite its Orwellian name,

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is not really about the rule of law at all.

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Um, it's a offshoot of another group called the Republican

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Attorneys General Association, otherwise known as ragga,

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and a's funding is over 50% corporate.

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Uh, so what I looked at was the corporate funding of Rag A

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in 2020, which would've been right before January 6th.

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And some of the top donors to Ragga included,

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Anthem, blue Cross, Altria, Comcast, Walmart, at

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and TCVS, home Depot,

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Anheuser-Busch, Fs, and Pfizer.

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So on the one hand, I think it's fair to say

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that I would imagine none of these corporations thought

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that they were going to be helping

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to fund an insurrection when they gave that money.

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But I think what's been really troubling

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to see is corporate political spending post January 6th.

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And some of those corporations that I just named came out

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after January 6th

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and said, we are not going to fund

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what some pejoratively called the Sedition Caucus.

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So the Sedition Caucus are those Republicans who objected

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to Biden's lawful electoral college votes.

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Uh, and so some of these,

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corporations including at

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and t, Comcast, home Depot, Walmart,

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and Pfizer promised right

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after January 6th that they would not fund

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the Sedition Caucus.

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And all of those corporations broke their promises.

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So when we look at this almost four years later,

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they all gave to members of the Sedition Caucus

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through their corporate pacs,

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which I think is really quite disturbing in my work.

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Uh, when I speak of dark money, I mean that money

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that is spent in electoral politics in order

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to influence Americans votes in a way

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that is, spent such that

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the average person cannot tell where

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that money has come from.

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Now, different people have different

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definitions of dark money.

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Uh, for example, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse,

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who represents Rhode Island in, the US Senate,

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he has a much more expansive view of dark money,

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and he would lump in money that is spent around,

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the Supreme Court.

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But that does not meet my definition

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because we don't elect the Supreme Court.

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So I am only looking at money

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that goes into electoral politics.

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And the way that dark money becomes dark is it goes through

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a opaque intermediary.

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So typically, if you have a corporation that doesn't want

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to spend under its doing business as name,

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what they will do is they will give it to 5 0 1 4

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or a 5 0 1 6.

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So a 5 0 1 1 4 is a social welfare organization.

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A 5 0 1 6 is a trade association.

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And once that corporate money goes

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through those opaque nonprofits, then the public cannot tell

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where that money came from.

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So what you can see in American politics is, you know,

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various C fours

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or c sixes sub with very Orwellian names,

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spending in politics.

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But then when you try to figure out where

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that money really came from, you can't.

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And that's the dark money problem.

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Now, depending on the election,

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dark money can have a huge impact.

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So for example, in the 2020 election,

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there was a billion dollars of dark money that was spent,

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and it's always difficult to know

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what is outcome determinative in a really close election.

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But, a lot of that dark money actually came in on,

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on a pro Biden side, and Biden ends up winning.

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So it's always difficult to suss out whether

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that was the difference that made the difference,

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but it can really impact,

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what American voters see.

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So typically dark money tends to fund

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more negative political ads.

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Um, I think it sort of talks to the hesitance

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of people putting their name on really ugly attack ads.

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And I think that is one of the things

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that shapes American politics.

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The two big spikes in dark money were when Obama was up

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for reelection in 2012,

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and when Trump was for up for reelection in 2020.

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This election has become a little bit weird

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because our incumbent suddenly dropped out.

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So we'll see how that scrambles the race.

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Some of the things that I've worked on for,

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over a decade at this point is trying

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to bring more transparency to money in politics.

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And that could be done through a number

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of different regulatory changes in the United States.

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The Federal Election Commission could have rules

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that require more transparency of money and politics.

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One of the problems that, American elections suffer

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through is our FEC is very inactive,

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and it was sort of designed to be that way.

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It's one of the few entities, in the US government

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that has an even number of commissioners.

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So it has three Republicans and three Democrats,

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and they need four commissioners to agree to do anything.

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And so they often agree to do exactly nothing

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because they can't get that fourth vote.

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One proposal would be

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require more transparency in the electoral system.

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You could also require more

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transparency in the corporate system.

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One of the things that I've long suggested is trying

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to get the Securities

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and Exchange Commission to promulgate a rule that

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requires transparency of what would

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otherwise be dark money that is coming out

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of publicly traded corporations.

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Um, another thing that I suggest in this book is that

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voters and investors put, candidates

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and the corporations that support them

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to a democracy litmus test, they hope that they learn more,

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Uh, about the sort of dark history

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of corporations threatening, threatening, democracy.

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Uh, one of the things that I draw on is

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the, I know very extreme example of

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Germany in 1933,

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but I feel like if we don't know that history,

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we may be doomed to repeat it.

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So one of the things that happened in, early 19,

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33 in Germany is we had a Nazi party

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that was completely broke,

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and in their hour of need, they turn

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to German industrialists to bail them out.

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And they pitch a very anti-democratic

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spiel at these, corporate leaders.

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And the corporate leaders eat it all up

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and fund the Nazi party,

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and they go from being in the red, in the black.

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And it was, they used that money to,

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even eventually take control of, the German government

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and do all sorts of pernicious things once in power.

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And I don't want that, a scenario

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to repeat itself in the United States,

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in present day.

"Reflections on the Capitol Attack: Corporate Influence and the Dark Money Dilemma in American Politics"

00:00:00 - Think I took the attack on the US Capitol on January 6th, very personally. And so I was inspired to write this book by the events on January 6th. So for the modern day scandals, I ended up talking to a lot of my peers in the field, sort of trying to get a feel for what they thought the least appreciated money and politics scandals were. and then I also looked at the FEC, that's the Federal Election Commission. Here in the US they have data on how money in politics flows. Then I looked at aggregator sites like Open Secrets,
00:00:53 - and, because so many of the stories that I ended up writing about were actually federal crimes. I spent an enormous amount of time, looking at the DOJ and going through criminal trial transcripts. And so for some of these, cases, in order to get the sort of gotcha moment of someone confessing to a campaign finance crime, I went through in some cases, hundreds of pages of transcripts and with other really long trials, thousands of pages
00:01:34 - actually admitted that they had committed a campaign finance crime On the upside. January 6th was not particularly well financed. I think that might be one of the reasons that it failed. one of the things that I really worry about in this book is what happens if there's a second January of the sixth that has better, deeper pockets. but in the January 6th that we've already experienced, one of the groups that put out robocalls urging members of the public to come to the capitol and fight was a group called the Rule
00:02:14 - So the Rule of Law Defense Fund, despite its Orwellian name, is not really about the rule of law at all. it's a offshoot of another group called the Republican Attorneys General Association, otherwise known as ragga, and a's funding is over 50% corporate. so what I looked at was the corporate funding of Rag A in 2020, which would've been right before January 6th. And some of the top donors to Ragga included, Anthem, blue Cross, Altria, Comcast, Walmart, at
00:02:56 - Anheuser-Busch, Fs, and Pfizer. So on the one hand, I think it's fair to say that I would imagine none of these corporations thought that they were going to be helping to fund an insurrection when they gave that money. But I think what's been really troubling to see is corporate political spending post January 6th. And some of those corporations that I just named came out after January 6th and said, we are not going to fund what some pejoratively called the Sedition Caucus. So the Sedition Caucus are those Republicans who objected
00:03:38 - and so some of these, corporations including at and t, Comcast, home Depot, Walmart, and Pfizer promised right after January 6th that they would not fund the Sedition Caucus. And all of those corporations broke their promises. So when we look at this almost four years later, they all gave to members of the Sedition Caucus through their corporate pacs, which I think is really quite disturbing in my work. when I speak of dark money, I mean that money that is spent in electoral politics in order

"Unveiling Dark Money: The Opaque Forces Shaping American Politics"

00:04:19 - that is, spent such that the average person cannot tell where that money has come from. Now, different people have different definitions of dark money. for example, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, who represents Rhode Island in, the US Senate, he has a much more expansive view of dark money, and he would lump in money that is spent around, the Supreme Court. But that does not meet my definition because we don't elect the Supreme Court.
00:04:58 - that goes into electoral politics. And the way that dark money becomes dark is it goes through a opaque intermediary. So typically, if you have a corporation that doesn't want to spend under its doing business as name, what they will do is they will give it to 5 0 1 4 or a 5 0 1 6. So a 5 0 1 1 4 is a social welfare organization. A 5 0 1 6 is a trade association. And once that corporate money goes through those opaque nonprofits, then the public cannot tell
00:05:39 - So what you can see in American politics is, you know, various C fours or c sixes sub with very Orwellian names, spending in politics. But then when you try to figure out where that money really came from, you can't. And that's the dark money problem. Now, depending on the election, dark money can have a huge impact. So for example, in the 2020 election, there was a billion dollars of dark money that was spent, and it's always difficult to know what is outcome determinative in a really close election.
00:06:24 - on a pro Biden side, and Biden ends up winning. So it's always difficult to suss out whether that was the difference that made the difference, but it can really impact, what American voters see. So typically dark money tends to fund more negative political ads. I think it sort of talks to the hesitance of people putting their name on really ugly attack ads. And I think that is one of the things that shapes American politics. The two big spikes in dark money were when Obama was up
00:07:05 - and when Trump was for up for reelection in 2020. This election has become a little bit weird because our incumbent suddenly dropped out. So we'll see how that scrambles the race. Some of the things that I've worked on for, over a decade at this point is trying to bring more transparency to money in politics. And that could be done through a number of different regulatory changes in the United States. The Federal Election Commission could have rules that require more transparency of money and politics. One of the problems that, American elections suffer
00:07:52 - and it was sort of designed to be that way. It's one of the few entities, in the US government that has an even number of commissioners. So it has three Republicans and three Democrats, and they need four commissioners to agree to do anything. And so they often agree to do exactly nothing because they can't get that fourth vote. One proposal would be require more transparency in the electoral system. You could also require more transparency in the corporate system. One of the things that I've long suggested is trying to get the Securities and Exchange Commission to promulgate a rule that

"Dark Money and the Historical Lessons of Corporate Influence on Democracy"

00:08:33 - otherwise be dark money that is coming out of publicly traded corporations. another thing that I suggest in this book is that voters and investors put, candidates and the corporations that support them to a democracy litmus test, they hope that they learn more, about the sort of dark history of corporations threatening, threatening, democracy. one of the things that I draw on is the, I know very extreme example of
00:09:16 - but I feel like if we don't know that history, we may be doomed to repeat it. So one of the things that happened in, early 19, 33 in Germany is we had a Nazi party that was completely broke, and in their hour of need, they turn to German industrialists to bail them out. And they pitch a very anti-democratic spiel at these, corporate leaders. And the corporate leaders eat it all up and fund the Nazi party, and they go from being in the red, in the black. And it was, they used that money to,
00:10:15 - and do all sorts of pernicious things once in power. And I don't want that, a scenario to repeat itself in the United States, in present day.

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