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Kimberly D. Acquaviva provides an expert guide for hospice and palliative care professionals, addressing LGBTQIA+ inclusion in end-of-life care.

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This video video is a transcript of a talk by a queer individual reflecting on their experiences in healthcare, particularly regarding LGBTQ inclusion and the creation of inclusive care environments in hospice and palliative care settings. They narrate their personal journey as a lifelong member of the LGBTQ community, their experiences in healthcare professionals' attitudes toward LGBTQ individuals, particularly in hospice care, and the challenges faced in accessing appropriate healthcare services for their partner, who ultimately passed away without the desired inclusive hospice care.

Key points include:
1. The speaker emphasizes the importance of creating a healthcare experience that respects and includes LGBTQ individuals without requiring them to disclose their identity if they choose not to.
2. They discuss the misunderstanding among healthcare professionals who think treating everyone the same suffices, while neglecting the nuances of diverse identities.
3. The speaker shares the need for practical resources and training for healthcare providers, aiming to make inclusive approaches standard practice rather than an afterthought.
4. They introduce a mnemonic device, "CAMPERS," outlining practical steps for healthcare providers to approach patient interactions with clear purposes, awareness of their biases, emotional readiness, and the strategies necessary for inclusive care.
5. They underline the necessity for LGBTQ individuals to demand inclusive care and for allies to advocate for change in healthcare systems, emphasizing that market forces can drive institutions to become more inclusive.

Overall, the text details the significant gap in inclusive healthcare for LGBTQ individuals and proposes pathways to address these challenges through education, advocacy, and systemic change in healthcare practices.

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As someone who has identified as, as queer

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and as a member of the L-G-B-T-Q community

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for pretty much my entire life, I knew

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that there would come a time when I might need healthcare

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and that I would want it to be able to be inclusive.

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I was, doing work in hospice

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and palliative care in my twenties

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and really notice that there were a lot

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of healthcare professionals working

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in hospice in particular.

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'cause that's where I was working at the time, who wanted

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to do a good job but didn't understand,

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or might have,

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really strong religious beliefs about

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topics like homosexuality.

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And those beliefs could end up interfering

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with their ability to provide great care.

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So I started thinking about

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how can we help healthcare professionals understand how

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to provide inclusive care without changing their religious

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beliefs or feeling like they had to.

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Um, and so originally, I, I wrote the book.

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Um, so I wrote my first book in 2017,

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and then wrote this book, in 2023.

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And the, the thinking behind both of them was,

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I wanna create a world where care is better,

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for L-G-B-T-Q-I-A people,

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and also where healthcare professionals have access

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to the information they need to do a better job.

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Because I, I've had two books,

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and my first book was in 2017

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and, really laid out the foundation, some

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of the core aspects of my new book.

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So thinking about, the structure of how to,

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what do I need to teach people how

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to do and how to do it well.

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And so when I described the research process,

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it really is the process that I've used for both my books.

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Um, I started by thinking about what's out there already.

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So what do hospice and palliative care professionals

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already have access to?

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And there are lots of really fantastic, heavily academic

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and heavy, tomes that have come out from like,

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like the Oxford Guides,

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and there'll be a large, large book filled

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with academic chapters,

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which are fascinating while researched,

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but are hard for the average healthcare professional

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to just pick up and use.

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So I thought, okay, I wanna design something

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that anyone can pick up, anyone who's working in hospice

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and palliative care, and

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that it will tell them practical suggestions.

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So the first thought was, do research on what's out there,

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figure out how to make something that is more practical.

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Um, the second thing that I thought about was,

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what is the approach that everyone else has taken

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around inclusion because it doesn't seem to be working so

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that I can then take the opposite approach.

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So I looked at all the books that were out there and,

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and pretty much everything in hospice

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and palliative care, there's a standalone chapter about

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L-G-B-T-Q people

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or, they are mentioned in a chapter on

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special populations.

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And what I wanted to do was write a book

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that would teach people how to provide hospice

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and palliative care that's high quality to anyone.

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And if they provided this care in a way

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that was high quality

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and in the way that I described it, it would be inclusive

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of L-G-B-T-Q-I-A people in the process.

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Um, so that people would stop thinking about L-G-B-T-Q-I-A

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individuals as folks that they need

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to treat different when they know somebody is gay

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or they know they're they are trans,

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and instead, treat everyone

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with this inclusive approach.

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And that way no one has to come out,

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if they don't want to.

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Uh, everyone should be able to be treated with respect

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and dignity,

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and in ways that are affirming

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of them without having the onus beyond them

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to tell providers, Hey, you should treat me in ways

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that are respectful because I am L-G-B-T-Q-I-A.

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So I think the reason why it gets omitted

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or put in a standalone chapter is that for many people

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who are cisgender

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and heterosexual, healthcare professionals think

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I treat everyone the same.

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Why would I need to? Why would I need

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to provide special care to a group of people

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or everybody dies the same?

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How is this relevant? And so I think it's gotten forgotten

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by a lot of people because they don't really,

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if they're not a member of the community,

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they don't understand what it's like to go through life

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interacting with healthcare professionals,

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and feeling that vulnerability of being different.

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So I think that that is one reason.

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I think the other reason is it is very hard to,

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especially when you're working with a very diverse group

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of healthcare professionals across all different

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disciplines, it's difficult to tell people, Hey, you need

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to take care of this population

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and treat them well without also addressing the religious

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issue that ends up being such a heavy

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thing in the United States.

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We have a, you know,

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o unfortunately over the last several years,

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an increasing wave of anti-trans gender

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and ant anti L-G-B-T-Q-I-A legislation nationally.

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Um, and so it's hard for people

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to broach these topics given the tense

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political climate we have.

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Um, and so with the approach that I take in my book

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and also in the work that I do, is that I'm very explicit

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with people that you don't have

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to change your religious beliefs to provide exceptional care

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to L-G-B-T-Q-I-A people.

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I was raised in the south, I work in the south,

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and I work with a wide spectrum of healthcare professionals,

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across the political spectrum,

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across the religious spectrum.

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And at the end of the day,

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it does not matter if someone's religious beliefs

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or political beliefs, are strong around the issue

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of homosexuality because their scope of practice

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as healthcare professionals does not have anything to do

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with the destination of a person's soul after they die.

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And so worrying about any of those, the religious issues, is

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beyond their scope of practice.

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And so what they have to do is focus on providing

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exceptional care to people while they're here

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on planet Earth.

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And that's the focus.

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So that's what I tell folks

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and I, when I speak to groups, I I say, it is okay,

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if you think that I as a queer person am going to hell,

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a hundred percent okay, if you're providing care for me,

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I don't wanna know that you believe

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that I should never know that you believe that.

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Um, you should never indicate that you believe that.

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And I should be able to leave the interaction

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with you feeling like you value me as a human,

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that you're treating me, treating me,

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with the same dignity and

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respect you would treat other people.

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And that's really the goal.

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It's important to recognize that the rich diversity

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that people bring to any care interaction

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that is part of who they are.

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And so, it is, it is easy for people to say,

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I'll treat everyone the same, but

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that actually isn't helpful.

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Um, when after I wrote my first book, an unfortunate,

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it sounds like such a weird thing to say, coincidence,

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but I, I don't know any other way

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to say it other than just terrible luck.

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Two years after writing my first book, my wife

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of almost 20 years was diagnosed with ovarian cancer

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and it was very, very advanced.

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And, she only lived

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for six months from the time of diagnosis.

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She was a hospice and palliative care leader.

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Um, we had been doing hospice

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and palliative care work forever.

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And when it came time for us to be able to have care

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for her, we were able

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to find palliative care that was inclusive.

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But we had just moved to Virginia, which is in the south.

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Um, and there was no hospice here

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that had an L-G-B-T-Q inclusive

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non-discrimination statement.

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And so ultimately we were not able

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to access hospice services for my wife.

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She did die at home without hospice, with myself

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and our son taking care of her.

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And, you know, it's, it's a terrible thing to think this,

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but you know, we knew all of the people.

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We knew a lot of the people in the field because my wife

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and I were both pretty well known in the field.

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And so, I had written a blog post about how we weren't,

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weren't gonna be accepting hospice

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because there was lack of,

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inclusive hospices in our area.

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And a local hospice leader who we knew reached out to us

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and said, please, please, please,

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we wanna be there for your family.

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They'd known us forever, professionally.

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And, I was really clear this was about two weeks

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before Kathy died, that we,

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we could not accept care from a hospice

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that didn't have an inclusive non-discrimination statement.

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And they wrote back

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and they said, you know, they were very upset.

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Um, and, but understandably so.

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And they said, please, we treat,

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I've always treated everyone as one of God's children.

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And immediately I was like, okay, yeah.

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So this is part of the problem.

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We'll have to carry on this conversation later.

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We've since continued those conversations

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after my wife died.

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Um, and all of the local hospices do now have,

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inclusive non-discrimination statements.

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But I had to help that medical director understand that

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that reassurance I treat everyone like one

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of God's children, was actually terrifying to my wife

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and I, because it, it set up some red flags, which is

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that they're using a religious lens for how they see,

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patients.

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And so treating everyone the same

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or treating everyone as one of God's children,

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doesn't really acknowledge the nuances of the experience

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of an L-G-B-T-Q-I-A person in America.

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So when care is inclusive, it means that any person

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who is L-G-B-T-Q-I-A can interact,

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let's say we're speaking specifically about hospice

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and palliative care, that I, as a queer person

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or a colleague

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Or friend of mine who is a trans person, should be able

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to access hospice

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and palliative care knowing that, the intake forms

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and processes, use terms

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and words that are inclusive of their lived experience.

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So not, distilling the idea of sex down

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to a male female checkbox,

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but recognizing what sex with someone assigned at birth,

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what gender do they identify as now,

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giving people opportunities to share the name

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that they prefer to be called, the pronouns they use.

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And also being asked questions about who are the people

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that they consider to be family, who, what is important

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to that person in terms of making sure

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that their wishes are honored throughout their illness,

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and the rest of their life.

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And so when it's done inclusively, everybody who interacts

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with a hospice or palliative care, program would have

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that experience from day one.

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Even if someone is a cisgender, heterosexual person,

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they are also being asked, what name do you wanna be called?

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What are your pronouns?

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Um, there aren't special forms for the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A folks.

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It's everybody's having that same process.

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And inclusion really means making it inclusive for everyone,

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as opposed to if you, disclose to us

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that you are L-G-B-T-Q-I-A, then we'll give you,

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then we'll ask you questions about pronouns,

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then we'll ask you questions about your name.

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Um, inclusion means we're gonna treat everyone with

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that same best practice.

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And it also is, I think, a way of acknowledging

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that across generations people have different levels

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of comfort about what they are

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and are not gonna share with a healthcare professional,

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particularly ones that are coming to their home.

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And so, for, there are some older couples

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who are in their eighties

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and nineties who still identify as roommates if the care is

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provided in ways that are truly L-G-B-T-Q-I-A inclusive,

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those two individuals that I identify publicly as roommates

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would be treated with the dignity and respect they deserve.

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And their relationship would be honored in the way that,

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that the patient and family wanted it honored.

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So when questions are asked about who do you wanna make,

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who do you want to have making decisions for yourself?

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Should there come a time that you're unable to make them,

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that person would be able to say,

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my roommate Bob, that's who I want.

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And so then it doesn't matter what label they use to refer

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to their partner, what matters is

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that the relationship is honored, respected,

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and that people feel safe being who they are.

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I came up with a num mnemonic campers, two reasons.

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One, I think mnemonics are really, really helpful

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with healthcare professionals.

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And two, I do a lot with scouting,

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with Boy Scouts of America.

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And so I do a lot of adult training.

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And so at, at the time I was doing a lot of camping

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and I was thinking about when you camp,

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you really need a very, very clear sense

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of exactly what you're gonna be doing.

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You need to pack the right gear.

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You don't wanna go on a three day camping trip

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with just a toothbrush and like a, a kit katt bar.

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You need to actually plan.

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And then after the trip, you need to think about

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what can I do better differently?

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So I came up with campers as a way

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for healthcare professionals to enter every interaction,

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with this sense of clarity.

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And so the C is clear purpose.

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So before you interact with any patient,

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healthcare professional needs

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to think about what's the purpose of this interaction?

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What's my purpose going into this?

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If I know that I,

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as a hospice palliative care professional am going to be,

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meeting with a patient

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and a family for the very first time

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to discuss admission into a hospice

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or palliative care program, then my clear purpose may be

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explaining the program, getting informed consent,

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making sure they understand the program, also understanding

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what their goals and priorities are for care,

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understanding, what their goals

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and priorities are in terms of decision making, long-term.

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And perhaps one of the other clear purposes would be,

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assessing whether

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or not they've done advanced care planning.

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So do they have a healthcare surrogate

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power of attorney living well?

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Um, and finally, building rapport.

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The A of campers is for attitudes and beliefs.

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So really having some awareness

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before you go into an interaction.

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What are some of the attitudes

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and beliefs that I have as a healthcare professional

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that could impact that interaction?

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So for example, if I am going to be making a home visit

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and I'm going to, do a home visit for a hospice patient,

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and I look at the address on the admission form,

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do I make judgements based on what that address is?

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Um, do I, am I aware of what my own thoughts are?

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Um, did I have a bad experience

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in that, in that neighborhood?

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Did I, do I have family who live in that neighborhood?

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Your attitude or belief could be positive or negative.

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It's not always negative. Um, sometimes it's assumptions

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that, may be, I see that this person lives alone.

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Do I go into it assuming

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that care is gonna be a lot more complicated.

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Um, and also if I see that, let's say

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that someone self-identifies on the admission form as,

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a member of a, a faith tradition, maybe one

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that I'm unfamiliar with, what's my attitude and belief?

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I need to think about what's my gut reaction,

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and be honest with myself

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and then develop a mitigation plan.

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So really figure out what am I going to do in

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that interaction to make sure that any attitudes

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and beliefs that I have have no impact on that care.

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So if I, my attitude

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and belief, let's say that I had seen that a patient,

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that I was about to meet is trans,

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maybe my attitude and belief.

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If I'm unfamiliar with working with trans folks, maybe my

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attitude is I don't understand.

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Maybe, maybe my attitude is even, I think it's wrong,

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or I think it's a mental illness.

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I like, those are not my beliefs,

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but I'm imagining the kinds

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of things a healthcare professional might think.

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So the mitigation plan is what am I gonna do to make sure

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that those attitudes and beliefs do not show to the patient,

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but also that I'm honest

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with myself about holding myself accountable

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to preventing those beliefs from

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impacting the care I provide.

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So it is incredibly important

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for all healthcare professionals to have a trusted person,

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either a supervisor, ideally a supervisor,

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but it could be a peer where you're able to say, I'm,

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I'm struggling as I'm thinking

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about going to this interaction.

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Um, and I need to really, I need to hold myself accountable.

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I need to check myself,

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and make sure that I don't let any of my attitudes show.

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And also that I continually remain open

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to changing my attitudes

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and beliefs based on interactions with patients.

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Um, the p in campers is for patient, knowing the patient.

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So every patient is a population of one.

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Um, about 10 to 15 years ago, there was a lot of diversity,

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equity and inclusion educational materials.

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It was like, if you work with this pop population, prepare

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for this, L-G-B-T-Q-I-A.

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People have often been disowned by their families

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and had a bad experience with religion.

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Unfortunately, those kind of generalizations are not helpful

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because they teach people

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to go into an interaction expecting

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that someone is just one person

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of this bigger population that looks the same.

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Um, the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A population is really many populations

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where you have intersections of race and disability

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and religion and all kinds of things.

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And so getting to know the patient

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is the most important part.

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As we think about making sure the interaction is a positive

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one, your goal should be figuring

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out what does the patient want?

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Who are they? What do they value?

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Um, what do they care about? What are they afraid of?

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And really get to know them. Um, emotions.

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The e in campers emotions is being aware

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of your own emotions in that interaction,

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with the patient may sometimes there are patients

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that you feel extraordinarily drawn to

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and you wanna spend tons of time with them

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because they're so lovely and so friendly and so amazing.

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And other times healthcare professionals will say,

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I'm really struggling with this patient.

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I know it's gonna take a lot of time.

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Or it's stressful being attuned

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to your own emotions and reactions.

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Um, and this loops back to when we think about, you know,

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every interaction, looping back to attitudes

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and beliefs as you go into the next interaction.

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Do you go in expecting this visit's gonna take a long time

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or this visit's gonna be complex?

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And so emotions is really being aware

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of your own emotions throughout the interaction

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and also how it shapes how you see that patient.

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Um, because it's important that we don't avoid spending time

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with patients and families who take more time or energy.

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Um, it's natural for people

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to wanna spend more time on the things

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that they enjoy doing.

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Um, and there may be some patient encounters

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that are harder, but it's really important that we continue

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to lean into those because those patients

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and families need our, our care as much as anybody else.

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Um, reactions is being aware of your own, the way

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that you're reacting with a patient, both

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during the interaction and, and also afterwards.

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And being aware of things like nonverbals.

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So non-verbal expressions.

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It's fascinating to me

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to watch when people think they're being non-judgmental,

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but their eyebrows go up.

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They make these giant, like if you,

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see I've had the opportunity to see lots of,

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med students over the years do take sexual histories as part

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of the process of learning how to take a sexual history.

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And they think that they're being so non-judgmental,

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and then they're like, eyebrows go up and they look shocked.

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And so we have to be aware of what our reactions are.

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What's our body language?

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If someone tells us that they are gay, do we all

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of a sudden like close off or do we push our chair back?

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Do we do things that make it clear that we're uncomfortable?

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Um, and how much control do we have over making sure

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that those reactions are projecting what we want to project

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to patients and families?

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We have a lot of control,

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but it requires a lot of awareness and practice.

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And then strategy is what are you gonna do moving forward?

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What's your plan to continue to provide exceptional care

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to this patient and family, do a great job

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and not let your attitudes, beliefs,

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or emotions end up interfering with your ability

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to provide inclusive care?

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Even though it sounds like lots of steps,

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and it took me forever to explain all of them,

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it actually does not take long to put in practice at all.

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Um, and it's something that when you do it over

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and over again, you get to the point

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where it is almost automatic.

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Um, being aware of each step as you go along the way.

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I think that the key, there are two keys

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to developing more inclusive institutions.

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One is for L-G-B-T-Q-I-A people and their allies

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and their families to demand that care be inclusive.

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So one great way that allies can help advocate

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for this is when any person, cisgender, heterosexual,

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does not matter if they're part of the community,

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interacts with any healthcare professional, hospital,

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healthcare system.

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If they see that the intake forms

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or the admission forms aren't inclusive,

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if they ask one question about sex and there's just male

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and female or there's no opportunity to share pronouns,

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it's an opportunity for allies to say, Hey, you know what?

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I noticed that your form is pretty outdated.

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Um, are you open to updating it?

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And so the more people who do that, the more

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that institutions will make some of those, i,

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I don't wanna say simpler changes

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'cause they can be logistically hard,

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but they don't require a huge amount of human energy,

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in terms of getting training.

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So that's kind of the first step.

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The second step is for,

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L-G-B-T-Q-I-A individuals themselves to refuse

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to accept care

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unless it is inclusive, when they have the ability to do so.

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So we don't always have that luxury.

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Uh, for my family, we came here, there was no other hospice.

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So for us, we went without care. That is not a great option.

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Um, and because I've worked in hospice

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and palliative care, I felt comfortable providing the care

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for my wife, but I'm a social worker,

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like I am not qualified to be providing bedside care

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to anybody when it, when it's clinical care.

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So if there is the

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Ability for someone to choose

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between healthcare professionals, whether it is choosing

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between hospices or palliative care programs

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or local clinics, if people choose programs

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that are inclusive, have inclusive non-discrimination

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statements and have staff

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that have been trained on inclusion,

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other programs will start realizing

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that the market differentiator out there,

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becomes inclusion.

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And unfortunately in the United States,

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our healthcare systems are really largely driven by money.

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And so if people do not go seek out care, that is,

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if people stop going to providers that are not inclusive,

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people will realize that they need

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to actually become inclusive to be able to meet the needs

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of the market they serve.

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