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In Holy Humanitarians, Heather D. Curtis argues that evangelical media campaigns transformed how Americans responded to domestic crises and foreign disasters during a pivotal period for the nation.

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This video video is a detailed discussion by a scholar who has researched the historical response of American Christians to suffering, particularly focusing on the late 19th century. The scholar's interest began with their first book, "Faith in the Great Physicians," which examined how Christians coped with physical suffering during a time of theological change and medical advancement. Subsequently, they explored how Christians responded to the suffering of others globally, including humanitarian disasters, war, and economic hardship, leading to their current work titled "Holy Humanitarians." The Christian Herald Association, which published a major Christian newspaper from 1890 to 1910, played a significant role in these efforts by publicizing various forms of suffering and organizing charitable responses. The newspaper combined religious teachings on charity with modern journalism techniques to raise awareness and solicit funds for humanitarian efforts. Its leadership, including Louis Klos and Thomas DeWitt Talmage, emphasized that aiding the suffering was an obligation for all American Christians, transcending denominational boundaries. The scholar highlights various initiatives supported by the Christian Herald, like orphanages and relief campaigns during famines, and the unique position of the Christian Herald as a faith-based alternative to more secular organizations like the American Red Cross. They also discuss how the Christian Herald drew connections between religious duty and national identity, promoting the idea of America as a morally responsible global force. The narrative covers the challenges faced by the Christian Herald, particularly as new social movements emerged, and shifts occurred in both American humanitarianism and the landscape of charitable organizations. This video video concludes with reflections on the legacy of the Christian Herald, suggesting its influence persists in contemporary discussions about humanitarianism, social justice, and the responsibility of charitable organizations today. This video video encourages modern readers to recognize and learn from the historical dynamics of humanitarian aid as they continue to address current issues of poverty and suffering.

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As a scholar, I've been interested in exploring

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how Christians define

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and deal with various kinds of suffering.

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So my first book was called Faith in the Great Physicians,

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suffering in Divine Healing in American Protestantism from

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1816 to 1900.

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And in that I explored how a group

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of Christians in the late 19th century US coped

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with physical illness, during a time

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of really great theological change

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and also innovation in the medical sciences.

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So when I got done with that book

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and I thought, okay, I've, I've thought about how it is

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that Christians deal with physical suffering within

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themselves, but what about suffering out in the world?

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What about when they encountered the suffering of others?

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How did they respond to various forms of suffering,

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like humanitarian disasters, famines, floods, earthquakes,

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suffering caused by war or imperialism

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or economic downturns?

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Um, and how did Christians in the late 19th century decide

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which kinds of those sufferings they would pay attention to,

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who suffering mattered, and how to respond to it?

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So those were some of the things

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that got me interested in researching this book

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that eventually led to Holy Humanitarians.

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Yeah, so I first started researching this questions of,

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Christians confronting various forms of suffering

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through missionary archives.

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So I was deep in the bells of Yale Divinity School archives

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and some missionary records,

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and I came across this reference

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to the Christian Herald Association,

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which was sponsoring an orphanage in Fuji China.

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Um, so I was thinking about suffering of children

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who were left parentless

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and thinking about missionaries on the field.

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And I thought, well, what is

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that thing the Christian Herald?

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Something I hadn't heard about?

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So, I started digging around

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and eventually I discovered

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that the Christian Herald was the world's most popular

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Christian newspaper from about 1890 to 1910.

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And that played a really major role in publicizing

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and responding to suffering across the United States

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and around the globe during its heyday,

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while also supporting various charitable organizations like

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the orphanage in eo, a Fresh Air Summer Home

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for children in the state of New York, an industrial school

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and post reconstruction air,

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the post reconstruction Air South,

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and most prominently, the Bowery Mission,

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which is a soup kitchen in New York City

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that still exists today.

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So, so I, this was what the newspaper was.

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So I started to look for copies of it,

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and I eventually discovered that the only surviving full run

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of the newspaper was housed in the Christian Harald Harald

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headquarters in New York City, which still existed.

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The newspaper was no longer being published at that time,

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but the Bowery Mission was still in operation.

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So I wrote to the, director of Outreach, James Macklin,

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and he invited me to come down and take a look.

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And, over the next several years, I spent hours

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and hours in the back room

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of the Christian Herald headquarters, getting to know

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James Macklin, the current president

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of the Bar mission today, James Winans,

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his colleague Julie Roma,

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and, ed Morgan, who was the president of that time

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at the, at the mission.

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And they really, I'm saying all this

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because it wasn't a traditional archival experience they

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had, I had to really gain their trust

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and they had to trust me to tell their story.

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Um, and they became really important conversation partners

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over the course of that time.

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I'm really grateful to them for allowing access to

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that treasured resource.

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And I think one of the things I'm most proud

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of about the project is the fact that,

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with the partnership of the Tufts Library,

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which I'm also very grateful for, we were able to digitize

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through internet archive, a full, most

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of the run of the newspaper.

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So now it exists for other scholars to be able to look at.

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So now if you go to internet archive

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and you see the Christian Herald,

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you can do your own research

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and there's, you know, so much, it's a fantastic research

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for thinking about religion in general.

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Humanitarianism in particular, during, from the 1880s,

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we have digitized up to about 1920,

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and we're still have a little piece left to go.

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So, besides that, you know, I spent a lot

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of time in archives, other archives

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of other missionary newspapers,

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looking at correspondence of the main figures,

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thinking about looking at competing organizations,

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which I may talk about at, at some point.

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The Red Cross was at the major competitor

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for the Christian Herald at the time.

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Um, so that's what I did.

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Yeah, so as I said,

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the Christian Herald really was the most influential

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religious newspaper in the US during its heyday from 1890

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to about 1910.

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And really key to that CE success was Louis Klos,

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who was an entrepreneurial philanthropist

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who purchased the paper in 1890

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and really worked to make it the nation's premier purveyor

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of humanitarian aid.

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And he partnered with this really

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charismatic preacher named Thomas dewitt Talmage,

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who is the pastor of the Brooklyn Tabernacle Church,

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which was at the time the United States

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largest congregation.

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So the two of them, really teamed up

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to combine biblical teachings about charity with

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emerging technologies of modern journalism.

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So things that we think of,

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sometimes we think about yellow journalism,

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it's right in that era.

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So they use gripping headlines, heartrending reporting,

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graphic photographs of suffering people to convince readers

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that aiding the affliction.

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The afflicted was really the obligation

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of every American citizen.

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So what they did was they solicited firsthand accounts

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of suffering and also photographs

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of calamities from this vast network of missionaries

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that they knew throughout the

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United States and around the world.

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So again, that connection to China is

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because they had a personal connection

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with those missionaries, and they, they were also,

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although Talmage himself was a member

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of the Christian reform denomination,

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they were very nondenominational.

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So the newspaper reached out was Presbyterians

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Episcopalians, Methodist Baptist, Dutch Reformed,

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I mean, any, they really had this idea

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of being broadly evangelical,

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and they used a small e it wasn't, we don't,

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we wanna be careful not to conflate the meaning of

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that term, and I'll get into a little bit more about

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what they meant by it at the time.

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So they just had these contexts,

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in all different denominations.

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And then they capitalized on sort

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of the interdenominational context

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and technological innovations.

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I've talked a little bit about journalism,

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but for example, this is also the era of the invention

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of the transatlantic telegraph.

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So that may possible the rapid transmission of news.

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So they could get a report about political conflict in

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Armenia from the missionaries over there right away,

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you know, as opposed to waiting for letters to come by boat.

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Um, similarly, the introduction

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of the Kodak portable camera in 1888 enabled eyewitnesses

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to document humanitarian catastrophes going on.

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And then there were printing processes

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that facilitated the reproduction

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of those images in the paper,

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and they were really at the cutting edge of that journalism.

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We don't hear about them often when we think about some

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of the other magnates in journalism at the time,

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but they really did, pioneer a lot of those efforts.

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And so what they hoped was

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so combining these firsthand accounts of disasters happening

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around the world, these vivid photography

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would both raise awareness of affliction

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and also sell newspapers, which it did.

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It was very successful at both things.

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So I think one of the things to keep in mind is that,

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you know, CoLab and Talmage are,

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really complicated individuals with who were very successful

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and, and clear about their ambitions for their newspaper.

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Um, and they combined sort of their religious faith

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with this, you know, very entrepreneurial spirit.

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Um, so they started out, like at first kind

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of chronicling their, these different catastrophes.

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So there was a big famine in Russia in 1892.

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Um, and then they very quickly turned from just saying like,

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Hey, there's all these things going on to making a case

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that their readers had a moral obligation to respond.

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And then actually using the newspaper as a fundraising tool,

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to collect money that then they would send abroad to,

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provide relief.

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So that's kind of a, a little sketch of

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how the newspaper got started,

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and I can, I'm happy to talk about, kind

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of continue the story of how they expanded

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Outward to different humanitarian com campaigns.

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Yeah, so I mean, as you say, there's a really broad array

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of, examples we could talk about.

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So the Bowery mission, the homelessness

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among New York City's unemployed,

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became the most enduring of their ministries.

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Um, I mentioned

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before the industrial school in the south, in South Carolina

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that, catered

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to formerly enslaved persons get providing education.

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And then they had, you know, beginning in Russia moving

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through Armenia to, Cuba, India, China,

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Scandinavia, Macedonia, Japan, Italy, Mexico,

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San Francisco.

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They had all kinds of humanitarian campaigns.

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So a disaster would happen.

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They would publicize it, they would say,

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we're opening the Christian Herald Famine Relief campaign,

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send your donations in.

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And then every week they would publish a list of people

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who had donated to the cause.

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And at a certain point they would close the, close the fund,

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and then they would send all the money to missionaries.

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So just for example, during the India famine campaign

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of 1900, which was their most successful campaign,

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and which also I may,

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if I can at one point hold up the cover of the book,

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it's the image of the cover of the book, is sort

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of celebrating this successful famine relief campaign.

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They collected over $1.2 million for food assistance,

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medicine and orphan care.

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Um, and all of those offerings, like I said, went directly

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to local volunteers, and those were usually missionaries.

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And India, it certainly was,

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they created a missionary council that

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included representatives from different denominations in

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India, and those volunteers doled out the money, right?

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They decided where it most needed to go.

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So the strategy was the missionaries, we've got this network

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of people already on the ground.

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They know the language, they know the culture,

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they're familiar with the needs and conditions, and

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therefore they can disseminate aid quickly and effectively.

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So in this way,

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to the Christian Herald really set itself apart deliberately

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from, emerging competitors like the American Red Cross.

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So in Armenia, there was a, at, at the Ottoman Empire,

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at a certain point was targeting Armenian Christians,

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and there was a massacres happening,

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and American missionaries had been there for

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almost a century, really decades at that point.

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So the Christian Herald sort of was in contact

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printing letters from missionaries explaining

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what was happening, sending relief to the missionaries to

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provide for people on the ground.

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The American Red Cross sent over American aid workers,

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Clara Barton herself went, and it was really challenging

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because she didn't know the language, she had no idea

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what the politics were.

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And so the Christian Herald was sort

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of setting itself up saying, Hey, you know,

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we've got a network and this is how age should be done.

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At the same time, early on,

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Claire Barton was a notoriously poor record keeper,

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and the Christian Herald made a point

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of publishing an audited account of its like,

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here's all the money we received,

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here's how we were spent it.

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And they publish a balance sheet, you know,

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after the close of the campaign

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and really tried to say, you know, we are,

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we should be entrusted with, I mean, at this time,

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it's important to remember there is no infrastructure at the

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federal level for providing aid.

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There's no U-S-A-I-D, there's no agencies

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that are officially doing this.

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So the Christian Herald is trying to say,

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we should be at the forefront of this

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for the American Nation.

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And they were arguing as well that having an explicitly

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religious vision for aid was something important

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that would identify the United States as a different kind

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of world power than other world powers.

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So they sort of had this idea that we're not going to be

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imperialists like the British, right.

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We're not gonna establish an empire.

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We're gonna establish a moral empire,

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and that's gonna be pervade through Christian charity.

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So they're really quite successful.

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By the time Lops died in 1910,

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subscribers have donated over $3.3 million

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to both domestic and international crises.

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And that's about in today's good dollars.

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So 2024, it's about a hundred million dollars in aid.

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And really the Red Cross by, at that exact moment,

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no other relief organization came remotely close to

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that fundraising capacity

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or sort of popular concern for suffering.

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So, I can talk a little bit more about why I think,

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do I have a couple more minutes

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to say why I think they were so successful?

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Yeah. Well, I mean, definitely, I mean,

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and Lops had lots of critics.

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There's a, I mean, part of the book

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that I love is just the absolute, like take down fight

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between himself

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and Clara Barton, who, I mean, she, he thought she was,

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you know, egotistical

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and, you know,

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not a poor poorly managing her organization.

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And she thought he was, a real charlatan, right?

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That he was. And so they really,

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really disagreed with one another.

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And, but he was a very savvy businessman.

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Um, so, but he also had a message, I mean, think Klos

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and Talmage had this message, and it was multi-pronged.

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So one part of it was that philanthropy is something

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that every American should be involved in, right?

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This wasn't an elite practice.

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And at some point, I'll talk about sort of the contrast

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between the Christian Herald

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and say the rise of,

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the big Carnegie Rockefeller sort of wealthy family.

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So that model of philanthropy, coop

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and Alman said, you know what?

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Every person, even if you have a nickel

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or a dime, that's gonna make a difference,

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that can buy a loaf of bread.

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And they actually would publicize,

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like Sunday school classes would send in,

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would like take collections,

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and kids would go without dinner for a week

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and send the money that they're gonna spend on dinner

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to the Christian Herald.

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And so this was this sort of popular democratizing thing

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that he said,

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and they said, should be characteristic of Americans, like,

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this is how Americans were gonna stand out in the world.

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Um, and they also, like, the part

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of the religious dimension is I mentioned

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before that they are trying

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to build bridges across various denominations.

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So the 1880s and nineties is when we're just starting

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to see in the United States debates

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among American Protestants about how to interpret the Bible.

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Um, we are seeing social prejudices with the, fall

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of reconstruction in the South,

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and sort of an attempt to overcome the

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divisiveness of the Civil War.

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Um, disagreements about race.

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We're seeing debates about immigration to the United States,

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particularly from Asia,

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but also Russia, Eastern Europe.

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Um, so there's a lot of antagonism

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and cultural conflicts in the American public,

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and they are arguing that we can get past debates about all

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of these things, especially theology, if we just focus on

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what Americans have in common

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and what Americans have in common.

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And by Americans at that time,

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they made American Protestants mostly.

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We can not worry about, you know, that one of the,

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my bet the best lines that to,

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in the book is like, who cares?

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Who wrote the penit took the first five books of the Bible?

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Like, let's not worry about that,

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but let's worry about that.

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We're following Jesus' command

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to love your neighbor as yourself.

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Like certainly that's the golden rule.

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We can all agree on it.

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So that was sort of one thing that they did.

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Um, and in order to do that, they're like,

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we're not gonna talk about all these controversial subjects

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in the newspaper, so we're not gonna publicize if you know

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so and so in the Presbyterian denomination is kicked out

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for being a heretic for how he interprets the Bible.

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Um, and also, we're not gonna publicize, you know,

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we're not gonna be political, we're not,

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they did talk about they would, have coverage

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of presidential candidates and that sort of thing,

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but they would do both sides.

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Um, and although their most,

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their target audience is white Protestants,

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they also were somewhat ecumenical.

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Um, they took pains

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to include stories about African American churches

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and charities.

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Um, they reported on the plight

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of Native Americans at the time, which is pretty unique

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for American Protestants.

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Um, they also were very pro-immigration

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and anti the Chinese Exclusion Act

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or the Asian Exclusion Act that were, so,

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they were very welcoming towards Asian immigrants.

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Um, they highlight the work of Jewish philanthropists,

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and they actually built some bridges with Catholics

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and all of that at a time when lots

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of Protestant leaders were supporting racial segregation,

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expressing antisemitism

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and accusing the pope of trying

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to take over the United States with these, you know,

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conspiracy theories.

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Like this was somewhat noteworthy

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that they did have this very big tent kind of attitude.

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Um, and then another sort of theology point,

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and this can be my last one if I'm running outta time on

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this question, was that, by sort of publicizing all

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of these events all around the world, they,

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so they had on one hand, like g that our,

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we love our neighbors ourselves.

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That's a key text. Another key text is,

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acts 17 from the New Testament, God has made one blood

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of one blood all nations of men

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or of human beings, we would say now.

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And that was, you know, charity had to be worldwide.

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It didn't matter about race, class or nationality.

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So they also regularly quoted, story

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of the Good Samaritan who crossed racial and ethnic lines

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and saying, we can't just be concerned, we can't be tribal.

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We can't just be concerned about our own denomination

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or our own region, but we have to extend mercy

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and charity around the world.

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So, and this is where maybe,

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I don't know if we'll be able to see this too.

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Well, there's, I have

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to un blur my background for a second.

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Yeah, there it is.

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So the cover of the Christian Herald is from,

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this is a photograph from their 1900 newspaper cover

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that shows the success of the India Famine campaign.

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And you can see how they're, representing here a lot

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of their different efforts.

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So there's a veiled woman here,

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probably from the Armenian campaign.

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There's the Indian Famine Relief here.

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Um, this is the Bowery mission represented here,

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and all of this here again, this is the

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children's home being represented.

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So, and it's titled America The Almanar of the World.

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And this is a really, I mean,

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I can say more about this later as well,

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it's a really complicated image,

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but it shows that they felt

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that the United States was this redeemer nation

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that possessed this unique power

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and resources to help the need and oppressed.

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So it's a very, when I show it to my students, they're like,

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that's the, you know, genesis of the white savior image.

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I'm like, yes, it is.

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In some ways I don't wanna claim that that's the start,

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but that's very much like, let's go out into the world not

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through an imperial frame

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or if the imperial frame is going to be through charity.

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Um, that gets a little complicated when they get involved.

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And the America does become an imperial power, when it,

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gets involved in the Philippine war.

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And there they start to argue, you see a pivot where like,

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well, actually, you know, if war is being done to

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liberate oppressed peoples elsewhere, it can be a form

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of humanitarianism too.

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Um, and that's one place where we start to get into tensions

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where critics start to say, wait a second.

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Like, is that really, like, who, who who is saying

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who needs to be liberated?

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Um, is this kind of hierarchical image really representing

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the kingdom of God?

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That that is saying all nations of men are, you know,

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in Jesus Christ, every, there's neither Jew nor Greek slave,

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nor free male nor female.

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So now I'm speaking from the voice of many

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of the missionaries on the ground who felt that some

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of the Christian Herald's perspective

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was somewhat paternalistic, right.

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And imperialistic in its own way. Yeah.

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So there's a couple different factors

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that go into the decline.

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I mean, one is, as I just, the solidarity

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that they built becomes increasingly

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difficult to maintain, right?

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Especially after cops dies in 1910.

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So as, tensions mount within Protestantism around

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biblical interpretations, we've got the beginnings

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of debates between what come, come

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to be called fundamentalist Christians

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and modernist Christians.

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It's hard for the Christian Herald to ignore that, right?

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And then over time, eventually those groups,

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both fundamentalists

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and modernists begin to create their own newspapers.

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So, the modernists create the Christian century.

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Eventually by the 1940s, the evangelicals,

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the fundamentalists who become then new evangelicals,

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so different worth use of the term than the way K

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and Talmage were using it, create Christianity today.

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Um, and so market share goes down, right?

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That's one, issue.

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But even prior to that, there are a series of things.

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So the American red, so there's fractures

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with American presentism that I just described.

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Um, there's the growth of the US state.

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So the, the federal government does begin to create at,

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in partnership with the Red Cross Act,

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actually a federal structure for overseas disaster relief.

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And that starts to happen at the turn of the century

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and into, and by World War I,

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the Red Cross is really a quasi-governmental agency.

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Um, and in part it wins out

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because it does have a much more secular message, right?

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There's, it's not sort of wetting its message

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with this very explicitly biblical, campaign.

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By the 1930s, we have the expansion of the welfare state.

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So there's, you know, that in the US there's infrastructure

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being put in place to care for people

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who are falling through.

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There is a safety net

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where there wasn't in the 1880s and nineties.

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We also have the professionalization of social work.

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So social work, and, you know,

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philanthropy becomes its own aid.

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They're the creation of, you know, professional schools.

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You can become trained as a social worker.

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And that wasn't the case in the eighties and nineties.

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Um, and then finally you've got the rise

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of these massive family foundations, the Carnegies

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and the Rockefellers, right?

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Really eclipse

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and diminish the Christian Herald stature

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as a relief agency.

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So,

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and that's a point it might be worth

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dwelling on a little bit.

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Um, I've talked about sort of this sense that,

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Talmage and CLOs had that you have

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to aid anyone who needs help, right?

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And they did both. I mean,

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they were really about emergency relief.

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Um, and at the same time they did lobby

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for broader structural solutions as well,

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but they start to get really critiqued.

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So one of the signature, the surviving entity

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of the Christian Herald today is really the

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Bowery mission in New York City.

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Um, that, enterprise, as long as, as well as other sort

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of soup kitchens in New York,

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came under blistering attack in the early 20th century by

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proponents of what was called scientific charity.

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So one of the leaders of that movement was

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the industrial magnate, Andrew Carnegie, right?

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And Carnegie, in his view, if wealth came

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to the worthy, like if you worked hard,

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if you saved responsibly, if you lived a virtuous life,

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you would become wealthy.

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Therefore, if you were poor, that meant that you were lazy,

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irresponsible

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and engaging in some kind of immoral,

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maybe usually drunken behavior.

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I mean, maybe there were some times where, you know,

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there was some kind of misfortune, but by,

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and by, like, that was the equation.

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So the job of philanthropists was to work scientifically.

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That was the term, to figure out who deserved help.

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Like the deserving poor, maybe those who were trying

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to pull themselves up by their bootstraps,

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or maybe they had a misfortune,

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and the derelicts who lived off free handouts, right?

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And so we still have this in our culture, right?

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There's still debates about who really deserves help.

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So Carnegie and his,

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allies in the San Scientific Charity movement said,

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if you're gonna run a soup kitchen like the Barry Mission,

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you're just perpetuating the problem.

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Like you are, enabling people to live off the doll.

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And instead you should, sort of go out

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and register people,

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and you figure out not give aid to anybody

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who doesn't really work for it and deserve it.

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And you should establish institutions to help people sort

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of work their way up.

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So libraries,

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we've got the Carnegie Library in New York, right?

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We've got, educational institutions,

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art galleries, public parks.

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So it was sort of, you give people the tools

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to learn how to help themselves.

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So as this kind of idea gains authority,

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ction Talmage are basically acknowledge like, okay,

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there are some scientific methods

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that maybe could help us improve efficiency in philanthropy,

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but they really repudiated the claim

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that charity led to delinquency.

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And I think this has to do in part with, sort of being,

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again, like closer to the ground,

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and involved in this charitable work.

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So rather than blaming the needy

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or unemployed for their situation, K

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and Talmage both, like, especially in

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around the eight later 1890s turn of the 20th century,

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really tried to publish articles saying, we've gotta get

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to the root of the problem.

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And what would we call today?

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They didn't use this language,

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but we would say they started

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to recognize the structural elements of inequality, right?

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And to,

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and they did say, I mean, they were always,

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they would never say this directly about Carnegie.

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They did feature him, you know, in their newspaper

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as a, you know, philanthropist.

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But they did say things like, if, if anybody was

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to be accounta held accountable for suffering,

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it was the wealthy industrialists

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who weren't paying a fair wage,

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who were inflating prices, who were

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amassing colossal fortunes on the backs of their workers,

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extracting resources from colonized peoples.

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So they said, you know, in, again, in somewhat

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of a diplomatic way, most of the time, that instead of

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building libraries, I mean, well, colleges, libraries, all

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that's great, but what really need to happen is

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that Carnegie should offer higher salaries, explain,

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expand employment opportunities, support legislation

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to ensure fair labor and housing conditions.

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Um, and one of their, in the 19 early 20th century,

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actually, so the early 19 hundreds, one of their,

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featured authors was a minister named Charles Sheldon.

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Um, Charles Sheldon is famous today for the acronym

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what ww JD what would Jesus do?

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Um, and he published a serial novel in the pages

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that Christian Herald, called Christian Socialism.

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And he basically argued for what a sort of a program of,

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pri of making, you know, private, like common goods,

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common ownership of public utilities, that sort of thing,

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redistributing wealth, like it really was a,

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a socialistic vision of the future.

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And that's partly what Talmage were behind as well.

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So a really different, but,

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but in the end, like that, just that vision

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as we know in the United States, does not win out.

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Um, it is the vision of the Carnegies and the Rockefellers,

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and eventually they, they just can't compete with

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the massive fortunes that are put together

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and the family foundations that are set up to preserve

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that generational wealth.

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And they, they just can't compete in the marketplace either

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of sort of religious newspapers

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or of philanthropic foundations.

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And so they, they sort of pull back,

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they start focusing the paper.

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I mean, KLO dies, Talmage died earlier.

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So by like the time of World War One,

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the new editors of the paper decide they're gonna

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refocus the paper on more religious themes,

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and they're gonna kind of divest themselves of most

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of its charitable enterprise, with the exception

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of the Bowery Mission.

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And the, it's called,

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it was called Mont Lawn Children's Camp.

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And it exists today still in some children's programs

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that the Barry Mission runs.

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Um, they kept on publishing the paper until about the 1990s,

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and then they closed it down.

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And now the, it really, if you go online looking

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for the Christian Herald Association,

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you'll find the Barry Mission

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and, they're still going strong.

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Yeah. So I think there's, the book has a lot

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to teach us about the topics of humanitarianism,

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and I talk about this, mostly in the epilogue.

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So I mean, I'll I'll say kind of in two, two things.

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One is, although, you know, nobody's heard

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of the Christian Herald today, right?

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I mean, unless you've read my book, maybe

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unless you've been to the Bar Mission, everybody's heard

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of the Rockefeller Foundation,

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Carnegie the American Red Cross,

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and yet I really do believe

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that the Christian Herald's relief campaigns

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left a lasting mark.

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I think, the cover that I showed

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before with the United States as this kind of savior alman

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or of all nations affected the way humanitarian relief

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happened even for the Red Cross.

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So in the book, I have an image of the Red Cross in,

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in World War i's very similar sort

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of presenting the United States,

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having this divinely ordained responsibility to rescue

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the afflicted and the United States throughout the 20th

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century, really engaged in a lot of humanitarian

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interventions, you know, often staged as war, right?

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As well, just like it was in the Philippines.

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And, you know, if we were to catalog a lot, those,

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like many of those relief efforts have saved lives.

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Um, there's also been critics

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of those aid agents, agencies, and efforts.

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So my own colleague at Tufts, Alex Deval

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and others have talked about how disaster remediation

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and development activities have often fueled corruption

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and host countries exacerbated poverty,

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bolstered authoritarian regimes.

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So there's that, to think about.

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There's also the use of images.

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I mean, the Christian Herald really was, I do make a case

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that they're really the pioneer of using what gets called,

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you know, famine porn, really just these images

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of people in pain

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and aid agencies have relied on those kind kinds

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of images up to the present.

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I mean, I think, we can think about, you know,

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recent IMA images in the US of, border crossers,

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people coming from Mexico into the US

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and their shock value, right?

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And so there too, I think ethicists really warn about the

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implications of that, those kind of images.

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They're effective, but they reinforce inequalities between

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privileged donors and relief recipients

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and sort of reproduce the structural, nature of that

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that requires us to have charity in the first place.

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So there's that to think about we

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with thinking about the Christian Herald, what can we

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learn from the blind spots, right,

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that the Christian Herald had?

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And what are the blind spots that we still have?

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So I think I chose that image for the cover

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because it's easy to judge that era, right?

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And say, look at how, you know, paternalistic they were.

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But we also can see that, you know, the ongoing legacy of

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that, I think in our own relief efforts today.

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On the other hand, I think the newspaper's arguments

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for extending compassion beyond national borders

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and social barriers remain really relevant.

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So I've already alluded to debates we have today in the US

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and really around the world about poverty assistance,

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immigration, global inequality,

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how do we create a justice society?

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Um, so some of the questions I talked about with my friends

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that I made at the Christian Herald is,

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does charity create dependency?

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Um, who gets to help from philanthropist,

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which disaster makes the news?

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We have this right now. I mean,

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what's happening in in Ethiopia, right?

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And, versus,

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and things that are getting coverage, things that don't,

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is what do we do about i meeting emergency needs versus

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trying to invest in efforts

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to alleviate structural inequality?

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Um, how should a,

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an organization like the Barry mission today,

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like should they be trying to do both

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or should they concentrate on one?

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Um, how can we encourage empathy for people

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who are suffering without reinforcing these inequalities,

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social disparities, racial discrimination,

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gender bias, nationalist hierarchies?

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So I think my hope is that in reading this book, people

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who are in trying to make the world a better place will

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recognize some of the things that get, that, you know,

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that can get involved when you start asking those questions.

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Um, and maybe there's something in what, what the collapse

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and Talmage were saying that we might, learn from.

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So I, I wonder if clap to claim that true Christianity must,

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he said is can't be limited to our own tribe,

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our own nation, our own race.

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That has to be, it shouldn't matter.

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You should be able to give to anyone,

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in the us How do we, you know, is that something

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that would resonate with contemporary evangelicals who are

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so concerned about the border,

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about preserving a white America,

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and here's one of their forebearers, WWJD, you know,

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people wear this on their wristbands,

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was promoting Christian socialism.

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Like, is there something there that could be reclaimed

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by religious traditions that seemed to really be moving

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in a different direction?

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Um, you know, are there some folks out there that want

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to recapture Klaus's vision that sort of the gospel

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of charity trumps the gospel of wealth, Carnegie's vision.

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So, that's kind of what I hope, you know,

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when people read the book, they might come with those kinds

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of questions and really be self-reflective

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and see if there are things to learn, sort

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of cautionary tales

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that we can take away from the Christian Herald,

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but also, maybe some truths that would help reshape,

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some of the ways that debates about poverty

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and disaster are carried out in, in the moment today.

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