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This video video discusses a joint project focused on the valuation of data, particularly in the context of digital transformation in business and law. It highlights the increased value of data due to the rise of artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning, which allow businesses and governments to analyze large amounts of data to identify previously hidden relationships. This video video analysis creates economic value, enabling companies to make targeted decisions and improve profitability.

The paper advocates for using real options analysis as a framework to value data. Real options capture the strategic flexibility that data provides businesses, allowing them to adapt, experiment, and change direction based on insights derived from data. This video video gives a concrete example illustrating how the ability to shut down a project after assessing its performance can significantly enhance its attractiveness and overall value.

However, challenges exist in applying real options analysis due to the complexity and uncertainty involved in data valuation. The author acknowledges that while precise mathematical models can be difficult to establish, the framework offers valuable insights into the inherent flexibility that data provides.

The author also notes the legal implications of data valuation, particularly in contexts like data breaches, mergers and acquisitions, and antitrust law, where a clear understanding of data value is crucial. This video video emphasizes the need for a unified approach to data valuation across different legal frameworks to avoid inconsistencies and inefficiencies.

Ultimately, the paper argues that experimenting with real options as a valuation method can yield useful heuristics and improve legal consistency, making the application of the law more sensible and accurate in dealing with data-driven decisions.

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Here are some key quotes from the video regarding the value of data and its implications in business and law:

1. **On the Importance of Data**:
- "Data has become much more valuable than it used to be."
- "Data is a big money item at this point."

2. **On AI and Data Relationships**:
- "Using statistical techniques to analyze data and find relationships that weren't previously visible."
- "The key insight is that data gives you new and valuable choices that you didn't have before."

3. **On Real Options Analysis**:
- "We think that the right answer is real option analysis."
- "Real options capture the value of that flexibility."

4. **On Strategic Flexibility**:
- "The ability to take different actions to change your behavior and adjust course is really valuable."
- "The project looks like a really good idea because... you can keep the project going and make $10 million every year."

5. **On Data Valuation Challenges**:
- "How do you value data? That’s a tricky question that’s engendered quite a bit of confusion."
- "This is tricky because how do you value data as sort of a tricky question that’s engendered quite a bit of confusion already."

6. **On the Legal Implications of Data Value**:
- "There are a number of areas of law for which the question of how do you value data is going to be important."
- "Data breaches... how much have you lost? That’s basically a valuation question."

7. **On the Need for a Unified Framework**:
- "We have opposed a solution: a unified framework that we think can be applied across all these different areas and the framework is based on real options."

8. **On the Complexity of Real Options**:
- "Getting correct answers for real options questions is really hard."
- "The mathematics behind valuing stock options... is significant and complicated."

9. **On the Potential Benefits of This Approach**:
- "We think that our approach... helps isolate what it is about data that makes data valuable."
- "Experimenting could be a good way to find those heuristics."

10. **On Addressing Inconsistencies in Law**:
- "Improving consistency across courts could have long-term value and help make the law more sensible and more accurate."

These quotes encapsulate the central themes of discussing the economic value of data, the role of AI, the importance of flexibility in strategy through real options analysis, the complexities of valuing data for legal purposes, and the call for a unified approach across different legal areas.

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Absolutely.

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So this paper comes from, it's a joint project

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with Danny Soel, my colleague is in the office

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next door to me, great guy.

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And the context is there was a USC symposium

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on at the LAR view here at USC

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on digital transformation in business end in law.

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And there really has been quite a change in this area.

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So data has become ex much more valuable than it used to be.

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And there's kind of a confluence of a couple

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of different things that drive this sort of the short answer

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is sort of ai, which includes machine learning

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and you know, sort of this broad commentary,

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which is basically at a high level using

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statistical techniques to analyze data

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and find relationships that weren't previously visible.

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And then to use that data that those,

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those relationships you identify

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for purposes that generate money.

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So lemme back up a little bit.

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So the drivers here are,

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first there's just a lot more data than there used to be.

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So in 2021, over a trillion megabytes a day

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of new data was generated

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and that number continues to go up since then.

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So we're talking about just a phenomenal quantity of data.

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And then secondly, computers are getting

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increasingly powerful over time as well.

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So the ability to process

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and act upon this data has been going up

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tremendously as well.

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And then third, you know, AI is not new, conceptually,

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but the increasing speed of collecting data

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and ability to process that data have made these tools of

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artificial intelligence increasingly powerful

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and useful over time.

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And so we've seen like this whole

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ecosystem build up around data.

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There are data brokers, there are, you know, providers

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and users and this whole complicated ecosystem

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and it's created just a tremendous amount of economic value.

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Data is a big money item at this point.

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There's new products and services.

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Uh, businesses use AI and data. Governments use AI and data.

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So lots of end users.

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Um, and so that's kind of the very high level approach.

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So where does this value come from?

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At a high level, what you basically do is you can,

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you collect the data and then you conduct statistical

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analysis to try and find relationships hidden in the data.

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And then you exploit those relationships.

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So for example, maybe you would go out

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and collect data on what lots of different people buy

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and you identify people who buy your product

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and you figure out sort of what do they look like,

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what other things do they buy,

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what sort of habits do they have?

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And then you look through your pool of consumer data

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and you find, all right, well

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what other consumers are out there

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who look a lot like people who buy my product

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but aren't buying my product.

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Maybe these are people

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who would be interested in my product.

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Maybe these are people I should be advertising to

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and trying to reach and I can target those

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consumers or future sales.

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So that's like a pretty classic use of ai

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and that's been quite lucrative for a number of companies.

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The key insight of what I'm saying here is that data

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Gives you new

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and valuable choices that you didn't have before.

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That's the way we think about it is that

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because you have this data, you can do things

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that weren't available to you without it and so forth.

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And so how do we value that?

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How do you think about something that gives you choices?

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Well we think that the right answer is real option analysis.

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So again, high level stuff for a second, just the ability

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to take different actions to change your behavior

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and to adjust course that's really valuable.

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That strategic flexibility

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and real options also called strategic options capture,

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that they capture the value of that flexibility.

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How much is it worth that you can change course,

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that you can expand your operations or shrink them.

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You can accelerate the project timeline or slow it down.

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You can switch strategies or change technologies.

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These are kind of common classic real options

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and we think that this is actually a very good model

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for data valuation

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because of the core of data is

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that it gives you new choices you didn't have.

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And real options are what get at that question.

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Let me give you another more concrete example

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to help anchor this.

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Suppose that you are a business

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and you're thinking about launching a new product

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and you don't know if the product is going

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to make you money or not.

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Let's say there's like a 50 50 chance

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that this will be a valuable product or not.

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So let's say if it works out, you know,

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the good case you make $10 million every year, you know,

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forever or for 10 years or whatever,

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and the other half of the time things don't work out

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and you lose $20 million a year every year

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you have this product on the market.

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Well if you look at these as,

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you know, I must do this forever.

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If I make the product I have to commit to it forever,

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then you shouldn't do it

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because half the time you make 10 a year,

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other time you lose 20 a year on average

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you're losing money every year.

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It's a bad idea. Now let's give you a new choice.

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Assume that you can shut the project down

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after a year if you wanna do it.

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Well now in the good case, you can keep the project going

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and make $10 million every year.

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In the bad case, you run it one year, you lose $20 million,

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you cut your losses and you quit.

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So in this case, the product,

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the project looks like a really good idea

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because on the plus side, you make $10 million a year

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for 10 years or forever or for whatever.

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And on the bad case, you only lose the one

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year of $20 million.

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That becomes a very positive net present value project.

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It's something you're gonna want to do

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and all that we've changed from making this project a big

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money loser, stay away.

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No bad, bad idea to great idea, make lots

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of money on average is given you one new choice.

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That's a real option we've added

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and that really increased the value of this project to you.

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And this illustrates more generally how the choice

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to the ability to change direction, to tweak

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what you're doing to make adjustments

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and change course is really valuable.

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Totally. So the academic

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and practitioner literature on data valuation

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is pretty complex.

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Um, for example, there's some good literature on on data

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brokers, which suggests that the cost

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of data have gotten lower.

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A good place to start there is,

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Goldfarb and Tucker, 2019.

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There our paper is called Digital Economics.

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It appeared in, volume 57 of the Journal

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of Economic Literature.

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Um, in terms of how data is actually used to create value

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and the ecosystem sort of that are developed around that.

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There's a large literature, I'm gonna mention a couple

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of papers, but I'm certainly gonna, not intentionally,

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but I'm sure I will leave out some,

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some significant works 'cause it's a big literature.

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Here are a couple of just selections.

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Um, Ian CDE

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and Lanie have a book, competing in the age

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of AI strategy

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and leadership when algorithms and networks run the world.

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That's a 2020 book.

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Um, ner Purina

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and j have a paper in the Strategy Science Journal,

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volume four from 2019.

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Uh, what is different about digital strategy from

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quantitative to qualitative change?

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And then another good paper on the theory

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of ecosystems in this area is, Jack Abit is Geno

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and Gower, towards the theory

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of ecosystems in Strategic Management Journal,

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volume 39 from 2018.

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And of course I should also mention, Parker Van Alstein

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and Jang, their paper is called Platform Ecosystems,

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how Developers Invert the Firm.

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And that's from, volume 41

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of Management Information Systems quarterly, from 2017.

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So that's just a, a smattering of literature that might be

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of interest to people who care about this topic.

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On the law side, there hasn't really been a lot

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that looks at how to value data, for legal purposes.

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Absolutely. So there are a number of areas of law

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for which the question of how do you value data,

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is going to be important and will come up.

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So one simple example is in the context

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of data breaches, right?

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So if your data gets breached

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and you, you know, you have data and it's supposed

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to be kept private and then it gets out,

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how much have you lost?

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Well how much, like that's basically a valuation question.

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How much is it worth as an exclusive data source

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or not and so forth.

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So I think that's pretty directly implicated there.

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Then there are other times when data sort of serves

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as a general asset.

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So for example, if you're going to sell your company,

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and m and a law, you have obligations if you're auctioning

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your company off to kind of get the highest price

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and make sure that you're getting an appropriate

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payoff for your shareholders.

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That includes thinking about what you're thinking about,

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what your assets are worth.

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So if you have data that's an important asset,

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you've gotta think about whether you're getting paid

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for it in an appropriate way, what the price

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of the sale is gonna be good for the shareholders,

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and bankruptcy.

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Maybe you have data as an asset there.

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And then how is, how much is it worth when it gets sold off

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or gets valued or assigned to creditors?

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That's an important question.

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Uh, many taxes involve figuring out the valuation of things.

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So like estate taxes for example, value items

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or gift taxes potentially.

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Um, there are also various sort of digital taxes

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of different types that can

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implicate this sort of thing as well.

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So it's a live question there.

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There are a number of antitrust context which has come up.

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So there are a lot of areas of law in which valuing data is

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Significant and having a a unified way

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to think about this is important.

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And this is tricky

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because how do you value data as sort of a tricky question

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that's engendered quite a bit of confusion already.

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So it's worth thinking about sort of what is data, you know,

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'cause it's not just the data that gets used in this process

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of we talked about earlier.

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You know, there's the AI algorithms that apply the data

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and they're sort of how you implement

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what you've learned about the data.

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Like maybe I am really good identifying which customers I

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should target, but am I actually good at then making the

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advertising for them or things like that.

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So that's stuff you have to worry about. So focusing on sort

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of the data piece of it is one important point

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of clarity, which is significant.

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And then of course another piece of it is

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what does it mean to own the data?

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What legal rights do you have

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as the data quote unquote owner or user or what have you

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and which rights are at play

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and what are each individual right worth?

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Or maybe we'll have the value of the bundle.

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That's an important question as well.

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So there's a lot of confusion on that and

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whenever you have confusion, you're gonna have a lot

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of opportunity for inconsistency.

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Uh, and you could have this, you know, both

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between the literature and the case law,

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which could be problematic.

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Uh, and then of course I mentioned there's a bunch

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of different areas of law.

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They're gonna have to consider this data question

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and they might take up different approaches to valuing data,

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which wouldn't be great because presumably data is worth

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some amount and you want the law to get it right

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and to at least be consistent

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and you wouldn't necessarily want, say tax law

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to value data differently from bankruptcy law or so forth.

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That seems like it could be problematic.

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And of course we also have different jurisdictions.

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So maybe like one state values it a different way

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and a different state values in a different way

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that seems like it wouldn't be great either.

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That could be problematic as well

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for many of the same reasons.

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And you put this kind of commun confusion leading

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to inconsistency that can result in inefficiency.

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So you can get a bunch of bad results, you can get rules

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that don't line up correctly

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where things are treated differently across the law

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in ways that are unfortunate.

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And you also create the opportunity

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for sophisticated parties to take advantage of the law.

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Uh, if the law isn't consistent

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and there's holes you can do,

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regulatory arbitrage is the phrase

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that's used in the literature.

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You can basically, they kind of minor changes to

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what you're doing that don't change the economics,

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but that shift the legal regime that you're dealing with

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that creates opportunities

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for improving your situation

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without changing your economics.

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Which seems like something we generally,

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well it's not always bad,

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but it seems like it can create some

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problems, put it that way.

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So we have in our paper opposed a solution.

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We have sort of a unified framework

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that we think can be applied across all these different

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areas and the framework is based on real options.

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Absolutely. So lemme tell you why real options,

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we think it can be a good solution.

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So as a starting point, we think it's actually the right way

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to think about data and why it makes it valuable.

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I think like if you wanna get the right answer

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to a question, you have to ask the right question.

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And so what are data? Like what, why is data useful?

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Well, we think it's useful because it lets

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you do things you couldn't do.

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And that's what Real Options gets at.

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It gives you data, gives you new opportunities,

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New choices, new things that you couldn't do previously

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that you now can do.

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And that's where the value comes from.

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And by asking that question, we think we're honing in on

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what data is contributing and why it is valuable.

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We also think this is a very flexible framework.

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You can apply it in a lot of different contexts.

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Uh, it's expansive, it's generalizable.

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So that's the good side of the ledger,

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which we think is is pretty good.

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Yeah, so one thing you could do is you could basically say,

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all right, we have this data and we have a sense of

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how it could be applied to,

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affect our new product development

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or our customer acquisition.

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And so you basically have to do some kind

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of discounted cashflow app model where you'd say, all right,

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here are the choices available to us

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and how it could increase our revenues

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or profits over time and go from there.

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So that's kind of the, you know, that's sort of a battle

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of the expert sort of story,

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but you least have the experts speaking the same language

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with the same framework, kind of able to talk to each other.

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And then the courts get a better sense

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of when people are kind of all on the same starting point.

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Uh, it gets easier for courts sort of weigh

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what different people are saying and reach

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more sensible conclusions.

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It also constraints what people can say, into a more

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a bounded domain, which is helpful.

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So it's not all good news.

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The chief limitation involved with using real options.

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The way we describe is that getting correct answers

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for real options questions is really hard.

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So let me explain this a little bit more.

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Um, when I talk about options, the thing

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that most people think of a lot

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of the time is financial options.

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You know, like stock options buying and selling stock.

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So the classic model

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for valuing stock options is the Black Shoals model.

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And that's really hard.

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The mathematics behind that is significant and complicated.

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I mean literally deriving

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that model was a Nobel Prize winning achievement.

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Like not easy, okay?

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Uh, and real options are way worse in terms

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of figuring them out because there's

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so many more things you can do.

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It's not just do I buy it on this date?

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There's a lot of choices you can

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make and when you make the choices.

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So it gets really quite difficult

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to get precise mathematical answers.

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And given how difficult the math can be, you know, one,

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you have to know the inputs

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and to organize the inputs is tricky.

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Uh, that of course is going to be difficult

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for a court to administer.

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You've gotta be worried about parties and manipulating them

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because if it's complicated, you know, the people

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who know more and generally parties will know more about

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this, then courts will, then you have to worry about

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ways they might manipulate numbers and so forth.

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So that's really challenging,

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but we're still pretty optimistic

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because for one thing, you don't have to be perfect

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to be better than the alternative.

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Like the goal is to make things better.

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And you know, I think

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that the real options framework does

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highlight a couple of things.

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It does make clear for one thing that data is valuable,

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having real options is in fact useful

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and that's going to be something that will be clear.

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And I think there are some

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factors. Courts are good at dealing

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With factor tests, something they deal with all the time,

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and there are factors that affect valuation.

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So for options,

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a longer lived option is more

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valuable than a shorter lived option.

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Having more time in which you can make choices is better.

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So in the data context that translates to

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how long is the data useful for?

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Does it have a long useful life?

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Does knowing this help you make decisions for many years

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to come or is it only good for like the next week?

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That's an important feature.

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Another feature is sort

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of the informational uniqueness of the data.

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Can I get the same information without this

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data through some other means?

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So is this telling me something

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I wouldn't be able to get elsewhere?

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Is it really adding choices that I couldn't

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otherwise get that's valuable.

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Um, how uncertain is the future?

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Usually when you're valuing the future?

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Um, uncertainty is bad.

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So if you're thinking about like if I'm loaning you money,

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the more risky you are, the less I am going

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to value your payments in the future.

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Similarly with stocks like uncertainty

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is considered a bad thing.

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Generally speaking options aren't like that

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because the ability

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to change direction becomes more valuable depending on

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how wide a spread outcomes can have.

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So if whatever I do, the result is the same,

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changing directions is not valuable,

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but if, you know,

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changing direction can change my fortunes a lot, then

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the option becomes more valuable.

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So the more uncertainty there is,

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the more valuable the option

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and interest rates can also play in here as well in sort

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of the same kind of way that they play into kind

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of standard financial option valuation as well.

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So we think that this is an area where experimentation

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and practice might actually produce a lot

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of useful heuristics.

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It might be the case that we can't value these directly,

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but we can find sort of proxies

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that get at the same concept in a good way

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and that could be a good way forward.

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And there's some literature on this that suggests

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that private firms do sort of similar things.

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There are a bunch of metrics firms use when making capital

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allocation decisions, which aren't great from like a

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straightforward finance theory.

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Like how fast do you get your money back from a project

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is not something that would normally enter into a discounted

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cash flow analysis per se.

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But if you're thinking about from an option perspective,

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it actually ends up correlating reasonably well,

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with kind of, option value.

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And so the frequent use, the frequent

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firms making frequent use of those kinds of heuristic,

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might indicate that that's a way

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that firms are basically accounting for option value.

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And you could see sort of imagine

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courts doing something kind of similar.

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I'll also throw in that because it's hard to value,

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it's hard for firms to get exactly right also.

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So in that sense, maybe in a similar boat to courts,

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which could reduce gamesmanship a little bit.

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And honestly at the end of the day,

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if this approach doesn't pan out, like maybe we try it

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and it just turns out to be too

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hard, that'd be good to know too.

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We can act accordingly. Like maybe we have to sort

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of abandon the field in some level

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and find another way to do it.

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And there's a nice analogy here I think,

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to the stock options case.

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So, I'm a, I do a lot of tax,

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so I'm gonna give a tax example.

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Section 83 of the tax code,

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covers when employees receive property as compensation.

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So example is like you're an executive

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and you get stock in the company as part

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of your compensation package.

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So if you get stock options, the rule is different.

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Like normally if you get stock,

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we tax you when you receive it, assuming you get

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to like once it's clear, you get to keep it, we tax you.

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I'm oversimplifying of course, but that's the general idea.

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If you're gonna keep it, we tax you with stock options.

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That's generally not the rule.

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And presumably that's

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because it's really hard to value stock options

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and the service was getting beaten up over it.

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So they just gave up, they said, you know what,

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we're not gonna value stock options.

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We're gonna wait until you exercise and actually get stock.

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And at that point we'll tax you.

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So they sort of left the options field.

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Unless of course the option is easy to value,

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like if it's publicly traded,

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then we'll just tax you right away.

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But otherwise we'll wait till the ground is more favorable

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and tax you then and one could imagine

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not literally the same approach in the data contest Exactly,

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but analogs, and that would be good to know too.

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So to wrap things up, we think that our approach,

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which we think about data valuation using real options,

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we think it's a good way to think about this problem.

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We think it helps isolate what it is about data

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that makes data valuable

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and lets you focus it on the value

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of the data itself versus the value of other things

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like the algorithms you're using

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to analyze the data and things like that.

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You know, you know, to analogize a little bit, how much

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of it is the ingredients versus the value

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of the recipe versus the value of the chef and so forth.

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We're really isolating the ingredients,

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the data itself, which we think is good.

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Uh, we think this is an area where there might be a lot

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of useful heuristics, even if we don't approve,

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apply like a formal real options analysis.

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Ultimately there might be some really good heuristics

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that approaching it from this perspective

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would ultimately yield.

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And we think that experimenting could be a good way

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to find those heuristics.

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And improving consistency across courts could have long-term

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value and help make the law more sensible and more accurate.

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